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  1. Kathleen
    August 21, 2015 @ 12:03 pm

    Thanks Fred and Sundar,

    So true – Fred’s magic is in being able to transmit the direct experience. But for me the intellectual understanding is also critical as context for the experience. It’s like water (experience) poured into a vessel (context). Water without the vessel just passes over, refreshes for a moment, then dissipates into memory. The vessel without water is empty and dry. Together they’re a treasure.

    I also appreciate the point about being truly open, surrendering thoughts, beliefs, defenses, and letting direct perception flow through. I imagine a highly developed awakened person is in this state most of the time. I can be open discrete periods of time, and with practice these intervals lengthen. In my case, suffering is the impetus. Being “me” hurts, which makes me willing to let go and let something else flow through.

    All love,

    Kathleen

  2. Sundar
    August 21, 2015 @ 3:42 pm

    Kathleen, thanks for the thoughtful response. Your metaphor of experience and concept/context is beautiful. Growing up as an engineer, it is all too familiar for me, the need for “understanding”. In pursuit of spiritual practice though, I learned rather quickly that for the predispositions I had for analysis, that it was important for me to “experience the experience, and later analyze the experience if really really needed” 🙂

    It does take a ton of energy in mind-body to prop up and enhance and keep alive and make whole, a “separate me”. i.e. “Sundar” and “his stories” were all consuming, while not necessarily leading to the wholeness it was desperately trying to achieve. Rationally speaking, this pursuit was futile. It has the distinct sense of a dog chasing its tail, a donkey going after the carrot suspended in front of his nose from his own head. Seen from this backdrop, working with Fred was a true breakthrough.

    More than a “transmission”, this session with Fred felt more like this: Fred held a mirror of Truth, and this mind-body here had no choice but to see it, and accept it. Oneness waking up Oneness to the Truth of Oneness, to paraphrase Fred 🙂

    Thanks
    Sundar

    • Fred Davis
      August 21, 2015 @ 4:57 pm

      Hey, Sundar! Your comments will automatically display from now on. Kathleen is terrific!

    • Kathleen
      August 22, 2015 @ 12:25 pm

      Sundar,

      So true – shoring up the separate self is exhausting! It sucks up all we’ve got to give, and then clamors for more. When we redirect that energy toward nourishing the true Self, it grows ever brighter and fills us with light.

      Regarding the dichotomy between intellectual understanding and direct experience, I suspect that each at its height converges into the other. The purest experience would give rise to clarity of understanding. And the clearest intellectual understanding would transport us into the holistic perception of Oneness.

  3. Mike
    August 23, 2015 @ 5:22 pm

    Thanks All, in-One

    The “Peace that passes understanding” finally made sense to me, Understanding is Included in Peace, but that “grasping” understanding – thinking it will make for peace or happiness – is like a video game i can’t stop playing. Or less techy, yes! like that carrot whose hope of happiness is what made for any semblance of happiness – until, well, that damned carrot still wasn’t any closer! (and so the carrot became the stick!)

    I read something cool too about the gap between thinking and feeling is the same (imagined) gap between Reality and separation (from The Way of Mastery). So that dovetails for me with more fully understanding with what Fred is always reinforcing: what is done is done until “we” don’t any more. So I turn that “understanding” on my emotions now, more than what is “done” to “cause” them. So I make the affirmation that “I experience my feelings fully (without judgement)”. And I’m only able to flow into this because of Fred’s help: “who” is doing this? Am I the one trying to flow, or the Flow, and/or their unseparate combo? Am I the one understanding, or the Understanding, or the two in the Same? I like to make a shortcut now and meditate on being the Ing!

    Peace!

    • Fred Davis
      August 23, 2015 @ 10:14 pm

      Thank you, Mike.

      Focusing on the sense of being, i.e., The Sense of Being Meditation and then allow the sense of ourselves to fall into it (Falling Into the Sense of Being), all else may be revealed; this is the #1 most skillful practice. The other #1 most skillful practice is living in inquiry, which I will do a video on soon.


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